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From the November 2005 National Geographic; by Joel Achenbach


"...
Most of our cells aren't even human. If you had to count all the cells in your body, the vast majority--by a factor of ten--would be microbes.
...
Strangely enough, we don't know the identities of most of these microbes. We haven't figured out how to culture them. Instead, scientists 'grow' snippets of DNA, and have come to the conclusion that each one of us hosts somewhere between 500 and 1000 species of microbes,
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What's clear is that the microbes are not a bunch of invaders. Rather, we co-evolved. A human body is like a complex ecosystem--a biosphere, almost.
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[This is] a 'strategic alliance,' a symbiosis between mammals and microbes that goes back millions of years.

Date: 2005-10-20 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] godstatic.livejournal.com
So I'm not so much a single being, but rather a walking planet of sorts?

Theres some kind of special message in that, but I'm unsure of what it is. I do know that I like it, though.

Lets just hope that my inhabitants don't develop with the apathy towards their ecosystem that we have.

Date: 2005-10-20 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momomom.livejournal.com
Ack! I'm a universe. Thinking about this too much could give me a headache.

Date: 2005-10-20 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
And here everyone is, trying to kill all their friends with anti-microbial soap. :(

Date: 2005-10-20 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] godstatic.livejournal.com
Just think of soap as the natural disaster of the microbes.

"Hurricane Dove wiped out 100,000,000,000 fifteen seconds ago. More updates as they arrive."

Date: 2005-10-21 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
Ha ha ha! But it's on purpose - like the holocaust!!

Date: 2005-10-20 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian-z.livejournal.com
My high school bio teacher used to say it was way higher then a factor of ten, like, 10^8 cells are human and 10^13 are animal, or some crazy shit like that. I have no idea if that's true, but it seems plausible.

This was part of the evidence he gave against the germ theory of disease. With that much bacteria in our bodies, including E. Coli and everythign else, how can a few new citizens through the whole system out of whack if everything else is in order? "I would suck the nose of a person with ebola!" he once said. He did routinely do other gross things to prove that he would not get sick.

I don't think he's totally right; HIV probably has SOMETHING to do with causing AIDS and so on, but I think he has a good point.

Date: 2005-10-20 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
"Professor? Then how come antibiotics work?"


Seems pretty wacky for a high school teacher.

Date: 2005-10-20 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
Not to mention talking apples and oranges. Virii and bacteria are two different beasties.

Date: 2005-10-22 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
Ah! I just discovered the refutation of "germ theory" as part of this site. Wacky indeed.

Date: 2005-10-22 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian-z.livejournal.com
Hey, under germ theory it only says "coming soon"...

Apparantly this is a spoof of www.discovery.org, and the actual Discovery Instutute, though wacky, does not oppose the germ theory. They are also into Cascadian unity, which reminds me of this amusing site: http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/

I never really managed to find an organization that quite embodied the critique of germ theory that Mr. Davis the bio teacher espoused. But if you've ever seen or read The Road To Wellville about Kellogg and those old crazies, I think he's definetly coming out of the same tradition. I thought that was about the funniest movie EVER...

Date: 2005-10-20 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turil.livejournal.com
Ooooh! That's really interesting. I knew there were other organisms that lived in us and we needed to be healthy, but I had no idea it was that many!

I hope you don't mind, but I posted this info on the Buddhists (http://www.livejournal.com/community/buddhists) community. We've had a lot of discussions about how humans relate to other species lately, and I thought it would be really good for generating some interesting ideas about it all.

Date: 2005-10-21 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aspenparkland.livejournal.com
About ten years ago, a dentist looked at the microbes in the human mouth and doubled the number of known species.

I think of ecosystems as fractals. As you zoom in or out, you see a complex web of relations.

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