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There's a dyc (damned yellow composite, if you forgot) that is growing in dozens of locations (mostly roadsides) all around where I live. I'm fairly certain it's in the genus Hieracium. (All the plant people just sputtered out a humorless laugh. There may be anywhere between 200 to more than a thousand species in this very troublesome genus.) It is not hairy, like most hawkweeds. It has leaves all along the stem, more than half the way to the flowers--it looks like most hawkweeds have rosettes only, or just a few leaves up the stem.

Do I have a chance of identifying this thing to species?



My best guess is H. paniculatum, but I don't trust that, since that's a native species, and this thing is behaving like an alien invasive.

Date: 2006-09-09 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anais2.livejournal.com
I'm ready for a closeup, Mr. DeMille....
Actually, it looks somewhat like a spurge variety from here...can you get a detail photo?

Date: 2006-09-09 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
i can get detail photos today - what, specifically do you need pictures of?

Date: 2006-09-09 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anais2.livejournal.com
Maybe one that shows leaf texture, stem shape?
Does this have milky sap, BTW?

Date: 2006-09-09 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
I plucked a leaf off of it today, for the first time. To my surprise, the whole plant is slightly hairy. Not as hairy as orange hawkweed, but definitely hairy to the touch. Didn't see any white sap, but I wasn't looking.

Date: 2006-09-09 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
i will check for all of those things and take pictures when i go out in a few!

Date: 2006-09-09 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
ok, no milky sap, in fact it was very dry. so here's the pics i took, hopefully it'll help somewhat.


the way the flowers branch off the main stem.


a leaf


the stem and the way the leaves come off of it.

Date: 2006-09-10 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anais2.livejournal.com
Aha! That's old yellow hawkweed! Best I can do for a name, let the experts at it.

Date: 2006-09-10 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anais2.livejournal.com
Oops! I just looked at the flower, and made a pronouncement, and I'm wrong. Hawkweed doesn't have leafy stems.
But I'll bet it's in the same family; the flower is identical!

Date: 2006-09-10 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anais2.livejournal.com
Me again- I got started looking, and check out the Canada Hawkweed...
http://www.ontariowildflower.com/wildflower_waste2.htm#hawkweedcda

Numerous toothed leaves on stem; no basal rosette at flower time; leaves alternate. Looks like a good candidate!

Date: 2006-09-10 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artemii.livejournal.com
i agree, i think it is canada hawkweed.

sorry it took me a day to answer.

Date: 2006-09-09 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artemii.livejournal.com
also, a close-up of a flower cluster.

Date: 2006-09-09 04:50 pm (UTC)

Date: 2006-09-09 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
ok, done and posted in another comment. :)

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