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I know I've brought up this subject many times before, but it has come to my attention (to my email box, in fact) that Time Magazine has now written an article on it. I was considering, earlier today, to bring up the general subject of the human uses of animals, but I'll table that for a little later.

In short, why are horses on the short list of domestic animals that Americans don't eat? (And in fact there are laws against eating horses in some states.) The last paragraph of the article sums it up pretty neatly:

It's not that I don't think killing horses is cruel. It's just that I think killing chickens, pigs, sheep and cows is equally bad. Morality based on aesthetics is pretty shallow. In fact, the only weird part about eating horse was that, unlike with bacon or rib eye, we kept picturing the animal, which was kind of gross. Nonetheless, until I decide to stop my less-than-noble practice of eating other animals, I've got little choice but to order up some more horse.
(Joel Stein is the author of this article.)

I pretty much agree. While I don't eat meat, unless it comes from an animal whose life and care I knew well (I eat pork sausage from my farm), I don't see any problem with eating horse--or rabbit, or guinea pig, or whatever. Animals are animals, and they all are capable of suffering. No domestic mammal is hurt more or less from a trip to the slaughterhouse, or from a life in a stall, pen, or cage.

Date: 2007-02-10 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vyoma.livejournal.com
Why are Americans squicked by the idea of eating insects, for that matter? Anything one can say about a large beetle one can pretty much say about a crustacean. There are all sorts of odd cultural taboos about food. I guess very few people want a cow when they're kids, but lots of them always wanted a pony or a pet bunny (which really does taste just like chicken).

Date: 2007-02-10 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qassandra.livejournal.com
I don't think there's any problem with making personal decisions based on aesthetics. If someone thinks horses are too pretty to eat, that's a good enough reason to choose not to eat them, just as it's acceptable to paint your walls blue or crop a photograph for aesthetic reasons. I would agree, however, that it's a very poor basis for public policy.

Date: 2007-02-10 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] droserary.livejournal.com
Agreed. The assumption we're fighting against, though, is cemented in sociology and culture. There's this big ball of religion and society that most people are indoctrinated into in childhood. Those early impressions of what is "food" and what is "pet" are hard to break down and reassemble, especially since we're so emotionally attached to some animal companions. Likewise, I'm sure there are places in the world that wouldn't think twice about chomping away on our domesticated animals while abhoring our taste for cow.

I suppose you could say common sense is bracing itself against society again. While the arguments for protecting one animal and eating another fall apart in the common sense view sans emotional attachment, society responds by affirming its stance with (sometimes) irrational arguments. I don't always find them irrational, though, and I think there's a lot to be said for the different kinds of domestication we've done over the millenia. The purpose is key. Back when I still ate meat, I don't think I could ever have brought myself to eat horse, dog, cat, or parakeet. I based my deicision for vegetarianism on more reasons than just suffering (or else I'd have to be vegan in order to remain consistent in my logic). Having been a vegetarian for more than 6 years now, I'd have to say that even if suffering was eliminated, I don't think I could ever eat another animal again, even if their life was full.

Something you might find interesting, as I did when I first started making decisions about what I ate, is a sort of essay by Carol J. Adams, a feminist author. I read it 6 years ago in a Religion and Ethics class my freshman year of college:

Adams, Carol J. 1993. "Feeding on Grace: Institutional Violence, Christianity, and Vegetarianism," from C. Pinches and J. McDaniel, eds., Good News for Animals?, Orbis, 1993, pp. 142-159. (Couldn't find it online, sorry, but it's good enough to seek out).

Date: 2007-02-10 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rererepetition.livejournal.com
I agree completely with what both you and the author of the article said. I am a vegetarian, and I believe that all animals are equal, even that spiders are equal to horses. I won't even kill bugs.

Date: 2007-02-11 02:11 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] perspicuity.livejournal.com
the ultimate meat eaters imho are the various forms of scavengers... the circle of life. things die. there are things that eat dead things.

what's the difference between fresh road kill, and store bought meat? the money ;) on a working farm, with working animals, if they aren't working, they get eaten, esp in the "good old days". these days, we have SO MUCH FOOD, that i doubt farmer johnboy eats his plow horse when he has other choices. sentiment? maybe. back in the day? food was more dear i expect.

it amuses me that with SO many insects, and an RDA allotment for how many pounds a year you're allowed to eat as a byproduct of eating veggies, that we don't eat more. better: some insects eat meat. they love it. so do birds, squirrels, deer, and other "vegetarian" animals. trace minerals, salts, stuff.

so. well. food. comes from life, from materials from a star (for the most part), powered by sunlight (more or less). i'd say we are star stuff, but me? i'm made of meat. i live in my box.

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Date: 2007-02-11 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roaming.livejournal.com
"Until I decide to stop my less-than-noble practice of eating other animals, I've got little choice but to order up some more horse."

Clever wrap up. But by that logic, he's left himself no choice but to grill some golden retriever as well. (Which I hear the Chinese have no problem with: some dogs are "pets" and some are "dinner.")

I think it's okay to raise animals for food. I don't think it's okay to make them suffer psychological or physical stress, or pain/fear along the way, no matter their looks or their intelligence or lack thereof -- because that makes us look like cruel, heartless, self-obsessed megalomaniacs. Which we are, but it's good to keep that to civilized limit when we have the choice. I'm not sure why compassion, empathy, and human kidness is held in such low regard in these matters.



Date: 2007-02-11 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bezigebij.livejournal.com
Could horses be comparable to the Indians holy cow.

In Dutch there are different names for "head", "mouth" and "leg" when referring to animals or humans. I find it interesting that horses are the exception to this - their head, mouth and leg is referred to by the human term. They have a symbolism and regalness in society.

But, then again, you can easily buy horse meat here - mostly imported from Spain.

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