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What am I going to miss, when (if) I move to Portland from Boston? Bonus points for not saying anything about cold or snow or sports since I hate those things.

(cross-posted to Damnportlanders)

Date: 2009-01-09 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/purplebunnie_/
Red Sox.

Or not at ALL.

Date: 2009-01-09 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drocera.livejournal.com
Mass-hole drivers.

Date: 2009-01-09 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
i enjoyed driving in massholelessness so much.

Date: 2009-01-09 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] takarosa.livejournal.com
Accents.

Fall color spectacular.

Date: 2009-01-09 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donnad.livejournal.com
The seasons, spring and fall.
The great museums and art culture in Boston.
The social circle you currently have.

Date: 2009-01-09 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wandererrob.livejournal.com
The sunny and courteous disposition of the drivers and the cheerful calls of "hello neighbor!" as you walk down the street?

Oh wait, we're missing those now. Good luck in Portland!

Date: 2009-01-09 02:52 pm (UTC)
hhw: spring (bridge)
From: [personal profile] hhw
(relatively) cheap airfares to more places

if you partake, Burdick's chocolate shop (I am addicted to their shaved chocolate for making hot chocolate and so have to arrange for restocking once or twice a year)

I disagree with [livejournal.com profile] donnad on the absence of spring -- it's my favorite season, and Portland has lots of it, often from February into June. Fall, however, is more subtle here than in New England.

Going to the beach in the summer is different here; it's almost never as hot as it can be on the east coast. The water is almost always much colder -- too cold for me to be comfortable going all the way in -- with large, sometimes dangerous waves. and there's usually a strong breeze. I love visiting the Pacific coast, but it's really not the same as going to a beach in MA, and I do miss being able to do that a couple of times a summer.

If there's more higher ed in your future, Boston certainly has many more options than Portland does.

Being proud of your state for supporting equal rights (e.g. marriage)

chipmunks, cardinals, blue jays
Edited Date: 2009-01-09 03:07 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-01-09 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
i do not go into the atlantic in new england.

Date: 2009-01-11 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
Chipmunks cardinals bluejays...

But there are stellers jays, and some kinds of ground squirrels right?

Date: 2009-01-11 06:21 pm (UTC)
hhw: spring (bridge)
From: [personal profile] hhw
I have never seen any ground squirrels in the Portland metro area, although they might be here -- perhaps at higher elevations in Forest Park.

Yes to Stellar Jays and Scrub Jays also. I don't see the Stellars in my particular neighborhood; they prefer a higher density of conifers, it seems.

Date: 2009-01-12 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
you make up for the lack of squirrels with your ENORMOUS slugs. :)

Date: 2009-01-12 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
Oh, good point! I do have an unusual appreciation for slugs!

Date: 2009-01-11 06:47 pm (UTC)
hhw: (cat and girl and librarian)
From: [personal profile] hhw
also, a friend of mine has taken some fantastic wildlife photos around the region; here's a gallery from a NWR about half an hour north of Portland:
http://racphoto.com/Parks/WA/Ridgefield/Ridgefield.html

and there are some OR/WA chipmunk and squirrel photos here:
http://racphoto.com/Mammals/Mammals.html

and some critters -- including bugs! -- in his backyard:
http://racphoto.com/Parks/OR/Portland/Backyard/Backyard.html

Date: 2009-01-09 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] almeda.livejournal.com
Many Boston suburbs believe street signs are only useful for invading outsiders -- if you belong there, you should know what street this is.

Yes, Cambridge, I'm looking at you ...

Plus, the overwhelming majority of the streets were laid out by early American cows, and show it.

Date: 2009-01-09 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] almeda.livejournal.com
Whoops, Ir ead it as moving FROM Portland TO Boston! Sorry. :-> Portland, I got nothin' on.

Date: 2009-01-11 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
It's insanely easy to get around in Portland. I guess like most cities that aren't in New England, the address actually conveys information about where the location is.

Yeah and there's nothing worse than being lost in the boston burbs trying to figure out WHAT STREET YOU ARE ON! GPS is the new cell phone, as in "how did we ever live without it?"

Date: 2009-01-09 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miz-geek.livejournal.com
Being a relatively short drive from your folks.
People who talk funny.
People who don't think that YOU talk funny.
Sunshine?
Wildlife of the Eastern US.
All the places that you frequent where they know you (if not by name then by face) - your favorite restaurants and stores and all that crap. Not that you won't find new ones, but you'll still miss the old ones. And it'll take a while to get the new ones all nice and familiar. Admittedly, this last part isn't Portland-specific, but still, moving as an adult is stressful in all sorts of weird ways.

Date: 2009-01-11 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
Good thoughts. I'm looking to falling in love with new restaurants and stores. How else was moving as an adult stressful for you? Do people in CT (land of the broadcaster's accent) think you talk funny?

Date: 2009-01-11 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miz-geek.livejournal.com
Actually, I've lived enough different places that I generally have a broadcaster's accent. To me the CT accent sounds halfway between NY and Boston. Mentally, I've always associated this accent with big cities, and it always amuses me to hear farmers and other small town residents talk the way they do here.

And moving as an adult is kind of like starting a new job - even if it's a great new job, you don't know where anything is and everything takes longer than it should and you make stupid mistakes. I find that transition period annoying and tiring. But it's exciting, too.

Date: 2009-01-09 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brush-rat.livejournal.com
You'll miss the Atlantic being accessible by subway You'll miss being in or near the settings for most Lovecraft stories. Fter a few years, you'll miss the snow, but when you go to it, it won't seem like the right kind of snow. You'll miss your Boston friends. You'll miss being a few hours drive from mom and dad.

I think you'll gain a lot more than you'll lose.

Date: 2009-01-11 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
The closeness to mom and dad is a big one. Their health issues (as well as my in-laws' health issues) may delay our departure, we'll see. Thanks for the insights! Is that all the stuff you miss? I bet you miss the color green, and being so deep in the forest that all you can see is trees and rocks.

Date: 2009-01-11 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brush-rat.livejournal.com
I do miss the green and all that other stuff you mentioned, but I didn't list it because I think you'll have that in Portland.

The other thing I miss out here is old mystery, the stuff Lovecraft's stories are built on. Scratch the surface here and you just find dirt. Well, dirt and mastadon bones that are just going to be bulldozed and have tract homes built on them.

Date: 2009-01-09 03:58 pm (UTC)
hhw: (cat and girl and librarian)
From: [personal profile] hhw
I don't know whether this is something you'll miss, but a difference I hadn't considered until I experienced it is being on the west side of the time zone, which shifts the clock time of sunrise and sunset to be a bit later than if you're on the eastern side of the time zone. So today, for example, the times are 7:49 AM PST and 4:46 PM PST while it was 7:13 AM EST 4:30 PM EST in Boston. Portland is not as far west within its time zone as some places in the east; for example, here's today's times in Kalamazoo, MI: 8:10 AM EST and 5:28 PM EST.

Obviously latitude is another factor in this as well, the overall length of day being a bit shorter here today than in Boston. But you'd get those minutes back in the summer, when the longest days are a little longer.

ah, and thinking about sunrise and sunset reminds me that the first few years I lived here, the association of ocean & east was strong enough in my brain to frequently screw up my efforts to refer to directions. I knew which way to point towards the Pacific ocean, but I kept calling the opposite direction "west".

Date: 2009-01-11 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
That's very interesting. Our ultimate fantasy is moving to the tropics, but there you give up late summer nights. I think that's okay.

Thanks for commenting, this is good stuff!

Why move to Portland?

Date: 2009-01-09 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi -- I'm a friend of HCs who moved from Portland to Boston about a hundred years ago (or 1984, whichever came first).

Let me see...in Boston...food and rent are more expensive, people are ruder, and drivers are way wackier. You'd have to get used to driving politely and not jaywalking.

However -- it really does drizzle for months on end (October 15 to July 15, in my recollection). Winter is 41 degrees and drizzly. It doesn't really rain hard enough to get in the way of doing things, but it can wear on the soul.

What would you miss? Probably not much -- Portland now has good food, good music, a fair bit of funky culture, and farmers markets that I covet mightily. However, you won't see those crisp, blue, midwinter days; and in the fall, the green just dulls a bit -- none of those astounding New England autumn colors.

Should you move there -- let HC know and I'll introduce you to my favorite professional dogwalker...

mll

Re: Why move to Portland?

Date: 2009-01-09 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
The main answer to "why" is "housing prices (especially houses with a yard" and the runner up answer is "goddamn snow and unending cold."

Date: 2009-01-09 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] propaddict.livejournal.com
"Park your car in Harvard Yard. By the water.":)


Maybe I'm just antisocial, but I have never gotten used to saying "Hello" to EVERYONE I pass on the street. There is a lot to be said for the quite, reserved New England demeanor.

Date: 2009-01-11 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
Living in San Francisco was weird--strangers in lines at the store would just up and talk to me! WTF? I'm such a New Englander that way, but I quickly adjusted. Portland seems like a good middle point between too cold and too friendly.

Date: 2009-01-11 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonmanifesto.livejournal.com
i always find this weird too.

Date: 2009-01-10 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellelvsbeast.livejournal.com
NOTHING...hehehehehe

Date: 2009-01-11 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deederange.livejournal.com
I've never been to Portland, so I don't know what it has to offer. But having left the Boston area 9 years ago, I still, with every breath I take, desperately miss:

-- Independent book stores (like that wicked neat sci-fi book store in Harvard Square)
-- Independent coffee houses (like that one in Porter square with the bright colored somewhat smelly couches)
-- Sundays on the Charles when they close off the street and turn it into a park where you can skate and stuff
-- The art museum, the museum of natural history, all the rest
-- Independent music stores (is Disk Diggers still there? I loved that place. There used to be an insanely cute guy with long black hair who worked there. I would go in and buy CDs just to gaze upon him LOL :-)

I live in FL now, and the only benefits to being here are the weather and having found the love of my life. I guess it's a fair trade. :-)

Date: 2009-01-11 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deederange.livejournal.com
BTW -- The main reason I've followed your blog for a while is the pix you post. It probably sounds nuts, but I love the pix you post from inside your house that show the moldings and the hardwood floors. We don't have wood floors in FL, and I miss the sound that it makes when you walk across them. I will also mix the outdoor pix you post of the doors, and the streets, it gives me the warm fuzzys to know that as much as stuff has changed, somethings are still as I left them.

Date: 2009-01-11 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
Thanks, I really appreciate it, and I appreciate your list of things you miss. I basically wanted to know what to appreciate before leaving it, and I liked your list a lot. Fortunately Portland is a lot like Boston (the best thereof) when it comes to coffee, books, music. Not as much for Big University/Culture things (museums).

I like that you notice the little details of the house! I'm a big fan of mundane details--they are very important. I don't post more pictures of my house because it is so dirty :D.

WAY OUT WEST

Date: 2009-01-11 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hey Jef. This is Max in Seattle. I moved(along with Amanda and our son Myles/...remember?) out here from Brookline in 1997. You know what I miss most? Not much. Sure, the same type of urban sprawl exists out here, but the geography of this area prevents it from growing TOO widespread. Also, the beer brewed around here(esp. in the Portland area) is DEE-LICIOUS! Here in Seattle, I've got Scarecrow Video, possibly the GREATEST collection of rental films in the world! The weather is milder all the time. In about 3 hours time, I can get from snow-covered MOUNTAIN peaks, to a dry desert climate, to the Pacific Ocean, to a full-on RAIN-FOREST out on the peninsula. The Oregon coast is fuggin' beautiful! The downside: Seattle is a MUCH younger city, so lots of things already established on the east coast are not really in place yet(i.e. good mass transit) Portland has a great train system, though. I went back east last year for a wedding, and you know what? Although the trip was very beautiful, fun, etc. the joint had changed so much that it no longer felt like home anymore...

Re: WAY OUT WEST

Date: 2009-01-11 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urbpan.livejournal.com
Sure Max! I know you by way of Bruce, right, and didn't you make a comic for Don't Shoot? Pardon me if I got any of that wrong, but I just joined facebook and I've been trying to remember everyone I knew 20 years ago and I don't think I've got it completely sorted yet.

Anyway, sounds like a ringing endorsement of the Pacific Northwest. Thanks!

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